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How this gets resolved is different for each person, and I sense that it's just like their personality in a way. But I think the important thing for ourselves is that we can resolve our thoughts, feelings and actions on those impulses in a way that we feel good about it. I don't know that it's Wife want casual sex Vera a question Adult want casual sex Welches what you "get" from monogamy or not, but rather how you feel about being true to your inner thoughts and desires.

I would be concerned that venturing into non-monogamy, as a married couple, would close doors to intimacy between the spouses rather than open them. It is far to easy to escape real intimacy with a long term partner through extramarital sex. If it is easier to explore sexuality with a relative stranger than it is with your long term partner, then how does having sex with a relative stranger allow you or your relationship to grow?

If you are not known to the person you are having sex with, can be whomever you want with that stranger as they can be with you, how does sex with a relative stranger help you "hold on to yourself"? Non-monogamy seems to promote an escape Wife want casual sex Vera for real intimacy rather than the opportunity to grow within a relationship.

If non-monogamy allows a married Wife want casual sex Vera to explore their desires with a third party relative stranger and satisfies Wife want casual sex Vera urge to have sex with someone else, aren't we better off understanding what the deeper meaning of those fundamental desires are all about rather than indulging them? I needed someone I found desireable to find me sexy, interesting and desireable in order to feel good about myself.

It's a shame I did not realize this before the fact. My husband's desire for me was not enough.

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Turns out, it doesn't matter who I think finds me desirable if I don't' find myself desirable, interesting or sexy then the outside validation is empty and short lived. Non-monogamy seems to open the door for a false sense of intimacy between strangers and place even more barriers in the path toward developing intimacy between long term partners by providing an escape route. KJ brings up an interesting point. Another way we could describe this is whether we are breaking our monogamy vows by fantasizing about someone or something else even if we don't act on it.

Or, if we are Wife want casual sex Vera pornography that lets us explore some facet of our sexuality, is that infidelity? In Married wife looking real sex Pawtucket, there are all sorts of ways that we an avoid our partners and our growth.

So, why single out having sex with other people? A lot of people who advocate for open relationships seem to use this idea as an argument to Wife want casual sex Vera their position.

Given that Calas de Belfast xxx can avoid growth anyway, why not avoid it through extramarital sex too? I guess it really is up to each of us to know whether we are in a pattern of avoidance that Wife want casual sex Vera hurting us and to stop it if it is not really in our interest to pursue intimacy.

I like Grace's comments, though wanted to mention one specific point that is a hot button of mine. She qualifies her comments about non-monogamy as being door-closing for married couples. But, it might be worth thinking about how it's also intimacy avoidant for non-married non-committed people too.

So Wife want casual sex Vera, it seems that people who are uncommitted feel a sense of entitlement to their promiscuity--and a sense that what they are doing is "okay" but it suddenly is not "okay" once you are committed. This might be true on some level, but on the level of whether it is avoiding intimacy--or even betraying yourself and your own values--I wonder if commitment status matters.

If somebody is committed to monogamy, one could argue that they should be monogamous even when they are single.

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I think you are right. Married or single, if you choose monogamy over non-monogamy, whether you are married or not, the same Wife want casual sex Vera of intimacy would hold true, or the same assertions about false intimacy also seem to apply. That's not to say that non-monogamy doesn't have value.

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If non-monogamy is having sex Looking for sexy women in Birmingham Alabama more than one person at a time, and openly disclosing this to all sexual partners, then that choice has a purpose in someones life that, to me, does not appear to include developing Wife want casual sex Vera intimacy.

Beyond the short lived thrill of desiring and being desired by someone new, or as many people as possible, what is Looking for bbw to lick raw ultimate objective of non-monogamy?

How does having casual sex Wife want casual sex Vera a relative stranger help you and your wife develop a better relationship Party bottom sexy each other? It gives the appearance that one partner is differentiating by taking seex that is clearly independent of the other, but that's all it is, a short-lived appearance.

It may also bring in a spirit of competition as I could see how someone might feel the need to compete against the other lover s. That sounds both harmful, hurtful and a futile. How does one compete, caasual a short term way, with a new relationship when one has an old relationship?

If I have understood David's theories well enough about intimacy and desire and the four points of balance, then aren't we better off challenging ourselves and our partners to discover and reveal those sexual selves with our long-term committed fasual we can eventually have mind-blowing, deeply satisfying sex with the person we know, trust and love rather than a series of relative strangers.

Merely fantasising about others is not better than a porn habit which is casuwl better than Veta open relationship which is not better than Wife want casual sex Vera. Unless we justify it that way according to our beliefs, which is where the personality traits come in. So the important thing about your sexual "drug of choice" is that it tells you something about yourself and your desires and your fears, and that is worth paying attention to.

Whilst I agree in principle Wife want casual sex Vera the idea of developing deeper intimacy between the two of you rather than avoiding it in casual flings with others, I don't believe that's a completely mutually exclusive choice. I do agree that secretly cheating is avoiding intimacy sed your partner. But I think that if you are Wife want casual sex Vera open to it, some types of open relationships can actually deepen the intimacy between the two of you - it's just another tool in your belt.

For example, when Wives want sex tonight National Park and I recently had an encounter with a third person it allowed us to see a csaual side of each other interacting with Wife want casual sex Vera that we could not see by ourselves.

Literally it allowed us to see each other more as a sexual "whole person" who had their own desires and appetites, compared to only the role that we typically played for each other. It was very Wide opening and neither of us regret it. The thing about various types of non-monogamous relationships is that they do not czsual what was there before - caasual they magnify it.

If you are like a cooperative team, then this is something that you can do together and high five each other afterwards. But if you have cracks in your marriage, this will just make those cracks bigger. What I'm getting is that in another thread I realised that both partners have to show up for themselves.

This srx also true of non-monogamous Wife want casual sex Vera. Grace's question is very Wife want casual sex Vera here "What do you or your wife want Wufe improve in your relationship by choosing to turn your monogamous relationship into a non-monogamous one?

The challenge for you then is are you willing to listen to that answer, accept it, and hold onto yourself throughout it all? It might sound like I am advocating that you should Wofe let her have her fling. I'm simply pointing out that this is no different to any other sexual crucible. And on that basis to answer "what should you do?

I am operating under the assumption that ideally we are striving for deeper intimacy with our partner and the reason we are doing that is because true intimacy seems to be the key to sexual desire, and if we had Wife want casual sex Vera desire and passion in our existing relationship, we would not feel the need to be with someone else whether that need is expressed through an open marriage, cheating or a porn habit emphasis on the word habit.

In the instance of non monogamy, are we really enhancing self-validated intimacy or are we indulging our need for other-validated intimacy and reflected sense of self? If we need to have sex with someone outside of our relationship to reveal some part of ourselves to ourself or our partner, what is THAT saying about us and our Sex for Japan break What am I zex really?

I can be carnal with, dominate, submit,or whatever other sexual persona I wish to become, with a relative stranger? Is the value of non monogamy the simple fact that our once familiar selves suddenly become unfamiliar thereby making us look and feel more desirable to ourselves Wife want casual sex Vera our partner?

How the HDP deals with this difference between what they want and what they get is the thing that I'm talking about. The value of non-monogamy is Married girl looking for older guy to text it is one tool If you love me fuck women tonight making our selves unfamiliar, as long as that unfamiliarity is openly communicated to our partner.

Just like role playing is a tool, and a weekend away, and a myriad other things we can use to spice up our sex lives and introduce some sort of temporary unfamiliarity. A dirty weekend away does not mean we can't also do hugging til relaxed, and neither does non-monogamy prevent it either. I have to emphasise here that there is a difference between openly collaboratively engaging in Wife want casual sex Vera which allows Wife want casual sex Vera partner to see a side of us that they may not be comfortable with as does eex intimate disclosure vs secretly cheating where that disclosure between partners is denied.

The value in this is that your partner is actively showing you their desire, and you have to witness that part of them being disclosed.

Don't think it's easy or superficial - it's very "revealing". There is one other benefit of non-monogamy that comes to mind. For the other partner, it may help remove their "entitlement" thinking. The other partner may well replace their thought process of "I own my partner's sexuality" to "my partner's sexuality to me is a gift, it Wife want casual sex Vera belong to me".

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Zinc, Vefa sense you have a great deal of guilt about your affairs, and if your wife has her own affair then Vers will bring up your own Like the granny adult swingerss race in Austria again. Might be something in that worth looking at.

I think I am beginning to understand non monogamy a little better. HDP wants more sex with LDP, LDP and HDP believe sex outside the marriage to fulfill that need will not drive them apart, but will be helpful to the marriage or to themselves, and will enhance their marriage cadual 1. Sex with someone else demonstrates how both partners hold on to themselves and how neither party owns the others sexuality.

Witnessing your spouse having sex with someone else actively discloses to caasual partner your sexual desire for them or someone else. When you have sex with someone outside your marriage with the consent of your partner, are you disclosing your desire for your partner which desire is not being metor your desire to have sex with someone new?

Unless you are a sex slave, how does monogamy or non monogamy demonstrate Wife want casual sex Vera or non ownership of someones sexuality? What if Wife want casual sex Vera partner gets off on you caxual sex with someone else, then non monogamy does exactly the opposite.

It demonstrates how the other partner DOES own Wife want casual sex Vera sexuality because you are having sex with a relative stranger to satisfy the sexual needs of your partner, not yours. Non monogamy, just like monogamy, is a Wife want casual sex Vera a Wive makes for themselves ultimately. I don't see how one could "own" the others sexuality regardless Vsra the decision. I understand monogamy and non monogamy are lifestyle choices.

I do not think someones choice is "better" in the judgemental sense, than anothers. If we go back to one of Zinc's original concerns about whether accepting If you love me fuck women tonight wife's request to have sex outside the marriage is an avenue for differentiation, and whether he should say yes to her non monogamy request and "hold on to himself" while she screws someone else?

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I don't see Vsra being non monogamous allows either of them to Mature fwb Pemberton ky toward either objective. I can even see how the original problem Zinc's wife expressed about improving intimacy with Zinc could be detrimentally affected.

Zinc, you said it yourself, when you were having extramarital affairs, you took care not to get Wantt involved, and you believe the ability to compartmentalize and distance yourself from the women you had sex with was a male trait and not one easily acquired by women I am paraphrasing so I hope I understood you correctly.

I think our brains are definitely wired very differently when it comes to separating emotions from actions and most women do not separate emotions from their actions easily. We are wired that way for a reason. I think Zinc already Wife want casual sex Vera what is likely to happen if his wife has sex Wife want casual sex Vera the marriage. I think he has good reason to "hold on to himself" and "differentiate" by explaining to his wife he does not want her to have sex with someone else, but he does want to continue to improve their intimacy and passion for one another without experimenting with casual sex outside the marriage.

Goodness what a rich discussion! Sorry been traveling and sick both. When I boil down why, I believe the honest truth is that I get a huge sense of reflected self from being my wife's "one and only".

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I had the adolescent experience of suddenly losing my girlfriend at age 14 when I didn't Wife want casual sex Vera to a football game and she did and ended up making out with another guy.

I married early partially to "lock this wonderful woman down", meaning, protect my reflected sense of self that she gave me by selecting and being with me, by closing on a committed partnership. I get all that. I can see the value of having a more solid, independent differentiated self Wife want casual sex Vera this regard. Am I reduced by her wanting an outside sexual experience, really? I can see intellectually that I don't have to be. What comes up at this point in my thinking though is that "sense of threat".

We tend to always talk about feelings of being threatened as "our own internal insecurity", but wait a minute, isn't it sometimes the case Wife want casual sex Vera there really IS a threat? I don't remember if I said it in my original post, but what's come out in our very initial exploration of Wife want casual sex Vera is that she has no interest in any casual sex; she wants romantic sex, because To her, "real" sex can't happen without romance. Where this leads me, even if and it's an if I can be differentiated about this, is thinking that should it go down, my relationship with her IS potentially threatened.

Is it really in my life interest to have my wife develop a deep romantic relationship Vdra another partner? That strikes me as being incredible "risk-ful", in so many dimensions. Because I am in fact NOT yet highly differentiated in this watn and definitely DO in my core, I can intellectualize around it but faced with a real Mount croghan SC sex dating I know my reptilian brain is going to take over with some incredibly powerful emotions need validation from her as "important" by being her "only", I know how I'd respond if casial she told me for example she was falling in love with person X and wants to move ahead with sex with him.

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The list Wife want casual sex Vera endless for a paranoid mind anyway. Then there's the question of what does she get out of this? I can't answer for her I've given her a pointer here, maybe she'll want to participate or maybe she'll want to keep it all to our therapy room and our formalized discussion times. But it's not hard to speculate. If I'd only been with her in my entire life and she'd extensively experienced sex with others, I'd be thinking "gee that would be fun, I've always fantasized about other women and she got it so why shouldn't I indulge in that a bit?

What I pull from that is that she's excited by the wonderful validation she'll get from a new and hot reflected sense of self via her new lover or is that being too negatively judgmental? She'll get to experience "new love", new relationship energy, she'll get very high off it she's a clean and sober alcoholic by the wayand I'm sure that's all extremely alluring to her, EVEN WITH the fact that I'm working my tail off to give her as much of these things as I can in our relationship but hey, I'm NOT and can never truly be "someone new".

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